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Chaos55 · Apr 23, 2008, 05:45 PM // 17:45

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Originally Posted by Larcen

By all means, feel free to elaborate. I can't seem to get the pin placement down, so, anything to help there will suffice.

The normal way to flag your heroes/henchies would be to use the tiny flags under your compass 1 by 1. This can be rather slow. To automatically get a flag on a hero, press F11 and go to Options where you can set a key that will allow you to flag Hero 1, Hero 2, Hero 3, and Henchmen. For me, I find that the F1-F4 keys allow for easy access. But by all means, you can use number keys or something more comfortable for you.

My order is zone out, [U] map, F1 (Hero 1 location), F2 (Hero 2), F3 (Hero 3), and F4 (since the heroes are already flagged, only the henchmen will be flagged). All of this takes less than 2 seconds to do. I'll include screen shots if necessary later on.

Esan · Apr 23, 2008, 05:51 PM // 17:51

Look, it is a plain fact that there are HFFF bots in existence. A simple google search will reveal several versions.

We can take as a working hypothesis that a bot is identifiable by its behavior and responses to stimuli. The ones I have reported have all run to the Melandru's Hope marker (reachable by two "target next" actions from any of the Lutgardis spawn points), then spun around until the portal was in front of them, then run through them. To check if they indeed were bots, I sent them a personal message. None of them responded.

You see them doing it hour after hour for weeks on end, non stop, and it is clear that they can't be humans. Some of them even foolishly display a Savior of the Kurzicks title, and they are still botting away. The only reason can be to inflate the faction costs of towns, because there are faster ways to make money.

And if you report them, nothing happens. This has been going on since shortly after the release of nightfall, when HFFF was first formulated. Nothing has changed in a year.

Antheus · Apr 23, 2008, 05:52 PM // 17:52

This farm requires a bot. Whether it's human operated or software program, there's no difference.

That said - it's an insult to human intelligence to require grind of this type. Anyone *not* using a bot to get this title should ask themselves how can they throw away 300 hours of their life like this.

Rather than doing something this, getting a job at McDonalds, flipping burgers is a no-contest decision. It pays, involves social interaction and can be put on resume. But to waste life on something that absurd should be criminal offense.

There is absolutely no way to distinguish a bot from human doing HFFF. None. Even running non-stop for 36+ hours is not a valid criteria.

jiggles · Apr 23, 2008, 05:55 PM // 17:55

jesus, all he wanted to know was wether or not he was allowed to use macros...

dunky_g · Apr 23, 2008, 05:58 PM // 17:58

It's a Grind. Like most (maby all) titles. Do it properly or don't do it at all.

Like botting a title is rewarding?!

fgarvin · Apr 23, 2008, 06:00 PM // 18:00

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Originally Posted by Esan

but you are just interested in castigation, not dialogue.

Can one really have a productive dialogue with a whiner?

And as for botters, specifically HFFF botters, I could care less. Yes, they farm large amounts of Faction and also a little bit of money. Could an argument me made that the extra influx of money hurts the economy? I don't think so. Could an argument be made that their activity causes you to loose out on cheaper keys? I don't think so, as your access to cheaper keys depends too much on your entire Guild's participation in Faction farming and also, I seriously doubt that another Guild is made up of farmers looking to capture a town.

That better?

And btw...a neighbor let his wife use his account, and the next day, their cat came down with herpies...proof.

Bryant Again · Apr 23, 2008, 06:04 PM // 18:04

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Originally Posted by Vann Borakul

I'm planning on maxing Kurzick. I'm 1/10 of the way right now. I've heard that you can use macros/bindings to aid you. But how far can you go before you cross the line? I did some searching, and I'm seeing tons of hfff bots that people use afk.

The idea of saving myself 300 excruciating hours is indeed a good one. But I'm not about to do anything that can get me banned. Does Anet really not care about botting hfff? It seems like nothing is being done about it.

If I can make 300 hours of the same 60 seconds over and over easier, I will gladly do it, but within restrictions.

Macros are fine, but I'm not sure where the line is drawn between those and bots.

fgarvin · Apr 23, 2008, 06:15 PM // 18:15

Macros = human interaction.
They allow quicker selection of Heroes, Skills...whatever. But as for as I know, my G-15 does not allow me to move my character around, choose targets (other than C for closest, T for called etc...) or perform other actions such as selling to the merchant or running to a sign post.

Bots = fully automated
Hit start, and watch the software do the rest.

Macros are, in my opinion, fine. Bots, not so much...but this view is purely on a case-by-case basis.

Valkyria · Apr 23, 2008, 07:04 PM // 19:04

Hai guyz,back to op's question would be cool yes? sure it would

Anyways,the way I find it quite easy to run is using numpad in order like;
7-8-9 -> Hero #3
4-5-6 -> Hero #2
1-2-3 -> Hero #1

F5,F6,F7,F8 -> flagging henchies and heroes

Flagging should do you no problem after you make several runs and have that area explored(tho I sometimes find it problematic when border is covering stairs,but hey,that's just me ^^)
Also,it's easier to put same skill order on all heroes(for example; SF,Djinn's Haste,Dash) and then just run your fingers over numpad in simple sequence,from up to down(or vice versa) whatever.
Hope that helps

P.S. To those guys arguing about botting and using all those points wich is nothing but bunch of bull cos they all repeated themselves atleast twice,stop it

StormDragonZ · Apr 23, 2008, 07:09 PM // 19:09

I can HFFF (HFF to some people, but meh...) however I don't use running builds on my heroes. That's right... I can do it without the "needed" running builds, but at the cost... it takes much MUCH longer to do, but it is possible.

mastar of warrior · Apr 23, 2008, 07:11 PM // 19:11

Are there anyway to bind all those 3 flags to 1 G15/G11 Macro keys?
(Anet have said that you cant get banned for using the macro keys and macros are not the same as botting.)

the_last_m_p · Apr 23, 2008, 07:13 PM // 19:13

There really isn't any good way to discern botters from real people in HFFF. For once, I am running two accounts at once, and due to the need for large map, my chat is hidden from me. Add to it, that the annoying sounds are muted (you try having the same sounds for hours on end), there is no way for me to detect a whisper.
And if you have ever HFFF'ed, you would know just how fast the chat log gets scrolled by the quest updates, especially if you have explore the forest one active as well.

So, by common bot-detection, am I a bot - I don't reply to whispers, and I keep on running out of the outpost all the time and don't see what is going on around me (again, big map)?

Mr. Undisclosed · Apr 23, 2008, 07:13 PM // 19:13

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Originally Posted by StormDragonZ

I can HFFF (HFF to some people, but meh...) however I don't use running builds on my heroes. That's right... I can do it without the "needed" running builds, but at the cost... it takes much MUCH longer to do, but it is possible.

Then it loses the "F", therefore you're probably better running around killing random crap in HM. I'm sure you can do it without running builds, most people could figure out something simple like that but why would you?

To the OP: Macros are ok, bots are not. Everyone who says otherwise is wrong :]

StormDragonZ · Apr 23, 2008, 07:17 PM // 19:17

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Originally Posted by Mr. Undisclosed

Then it loses the "F", therefore you're probably better running around killing random crap in HM. I'm sure you can do it without running builds, most people could figure out something simple like that but why would you?

I have my reasons, mostly because I don't know the builds nor bother to figure it out in the end. What works for me just does.

Just for the record, I hate Hard Mode.

RiKio · Apr 23, 2008, 07:22 PM // 19:22

HFFF.........

I did it without macros. Please, use macros if you dont want a headache. It is said that there arent illegal.

Xx_Sorin_xX · Apr 23, 2008, 07:24 PM // 19:24

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Originally Posted by Esan

I haven't seen you high on drugs, but that's no proof that you're not a crack addict.

You do realize you just backed up his point, right?

The Meth · Apr 23, 2008, 07:25 PM // 19:25

You can use texmod to put the dots on your map where to flag the heroes, here is a link the texmod page:Texmod.

As to whether you use a bot or become one, I couldn't care less. I would advise against using downloaded bot, there is way too large a risk of getting your account stolen or downloading some kind of trojan. Download some kind reputable macro program and make your own if you are going to bot.

Just don't do something stupid, like continue botting past the title limit just for the sake of holding towns or amassing gold.

Also, there is absolutely no hard line between macros and bots. None.

Jade · Apr 23, 2008, 07:28 PM // 19:28

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Originally Posted by mastar of warrior

Are there anyway to bind all those 3 flags to 1 G15/G11 Macro keys?
(Anet have said that you cant get banned for using the macro keys and macros are not the same as botting.)

Assuming you already have keys assigned to them:

1. Open up the Logitech G-series keyboard Profiler.
2. Open up your gw profile in the drop down menu (or create one if you haven't already got one.).
3. Click on the space beside the "G" key you want it to be.
4. Go to "Assign Keystroke"
5. Push the button that you have (I think) "Command Hero 1" bound to and click "Okay".

And macros are fine to use so long as it requires you to be sitting in front of your computer. If it's automated enough that you can go to sleep and it'll still keep doing it, that's when they start to not like it. There was a post about it somewhere on these forums I'm sure.

There's also a mod that you can run throught TexMod that'll put spots on the map so you know exactly where to flag your heroes.

Hope this helps!

Chico · Apr 23, 2008, 07:33 PM // 19:33

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Originally Posted by dunky_g

It's a Grind. Like most (maby all) titles. Do it properly or don't do it at all.

Like botting a title is rewarding?!

It became rewarding the moment they linked the Kurz/Lux skills to this mindless grind. To spice it a little bit they made it really really hard to get even the most basic level of the skills. Good Job Anet!

mastar of warrior · Apr 23, 2008, 07:35 PM // 19:35

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Originally Posted by Jade

Assuming you already have keys assigned to them:

1. Open up the Logitech G-series keyboard Profiler.
2. Open up your gw profile in the drop down menu (or create one if you haven't already got one.).
3. Click on the space beside the "G" key you want it to be.
4. Go to "Assign Keystroke"
5. Push the button that you have (I think) "Command Hero 1" bound to and click "Okay".

And macros are fine to use so long as it requires you to be sitting in front of your computer. If it's automated enough that you can go to sleep and it'll still keep doing it, that's when they start to not like it. There was a post about it somewhere on these forums I'm sure.

There's also a mod that you can run throught TexMod that'll put spots on the map so you know exactly where to flag your heroes.

Hope this helps!

yeah , that answers part of what i meant =)
are there a way to press one button , all flags get placed and heroes just run off?